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本帖最後由 Jackey 於 2011-6-25 21:46 編輯
1. 痾...是的，有些情況下ponder會比註定優秀，我一開始的文章也有分析到某些情況下是如此~但是這些情況不太會是你所說的多達99%。
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2.憑空打嘴炮實在是沒什麼說服力，然後感謝 Zach 提醒我可以找賽場deck來參考(膜拜中)。以下會以擴充賽制的deck為例子，我把有使用preordain以及ponder的全部列出。因為擴充的card pool與標準比較接近，不像古典那樣是完全不同的世界。(一共有6副deck....只是想看統計結果的話可以跳到後面~)
**首先是4/23的神戶GP：
Wargate Deck. Played by Makihito Mihara. Placed 2nd in GP Kobe 2011 (Apr-2011)
3 Exotic Orchard
1 Fire-Lit Thicket
1 Forest
2 Island
4 Misty Rainforest
7 Mountain
1 Murmuring Bosk
1 Plains
4 Seaside Citadel
4 Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle
4 Oracle of Mul Daya
4 Cryptic Command
4 Explore
4 Manamorphose
4 Preordain
4 Prismatic Omen
4 Rampant Growth
4 Scapeshift
4 Wargate
Wargate Deck. Played by Kentaro Ino. Placed Top8 in GP Kobe 2011 (Apr-2011)
3 Wall of Omens
1 Spell Pierce
4 Mana Leak
3 Path to Exile
4 Cryptic Command
1 Ponder
4 Preordain
2 Rampant Growth
1 Scapeshift
4 Wargate
1 Oblivion Ring
4 Prismatic Omen
3 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
3 Forest
3 Island
1 Scalding Tarn
2 Flooded Grove
1 Vivid Grove
2 Vivid Creek
4 Misty Rainforest
4 Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle
4 Seachrome Coast
1 Murmuring Bosk
UW Control Deck. Played by Martin Juza. Placed Top8 in GP Kobe 2011 (Apr-2011)
4 Spellstutter Sprite
4 Stoneforge Mystic
3 Vendilion Clique
4 Mana Leak
4 Path to Exile
4 Cryptic Command
4 Preordain
2 Sword of Feast and Famine
1 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
1 Gideon Jura
3 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
5 Island
2 Plains
4 Celestial Colonnade
4 Mystic Gate
4 Seachrome Coast
1 Tectonic Edge
4 Mutavault
2 Reflecting Pool
接下來是GP Atlanta~
Prismatic Omen Deck. Played by Jason Ford. Placed 1st in Grand Prix Atlanta 2011 (Jan-2011)
3 Oracle of Mul Daya
4 Cryptic Command
2 Mana Leak
1 Firespout
4 Rampant Growth
3 Scapeshift
3 Ponder
4 Preordain
4 Explore
4 Prismatic Omen
1 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
4 Forest
5 Island
1 Mountain
4 Misty Rainforest
1 Scalding Tarn
4 Flooded Grove
1 Tectonic Edge
3 Halimar Depths
4 Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle
Faeries Deck. Played by Ari Lax. Placed Top8 in Grand Prix Atlanta 2011 (Jan-2011)
3 Scion of Oona
3 Spellstutter Sprite
4 Mistbind Clique
2 Vendilion Clique
1 Agony Warp
3 Mana Leak
4 Cryptic Command
2 Smother
2 Disfigure
4 Thoughtseize
2 Preordain
1 Inquisition of Kozilek
4 Bitterblossom
6 Island
2 Swamp
4 Mutavault
3 Creeping Tar Pit
2 Sunken Ruins
4 Secluded Glen
4 Darkslick Shores
同場加映一場在 Magic-League 上面的 Master 擴充賽，但是由於這不是官方辦的比賽，選手的程度可能比較參差不齊，你要略過也可以。
Scapeshift Deck. Played by 2und40. Placed Top8 in Magic-League Extended Master 16/01/2011 (Jan-2011)
2 Primeval Titan
1 Vendilion Clique
4 Cryptic Command
4 Mana Leak
4 Preordain
3 Ponder
2 Cultivate
4 Explore
4 Wargate
3 Rampant Growth
4 Prismatic Omen
3 Forest
4 Island
1 Plains
4 Misty Rainforest
1 Verdant Catacombs
4 Flooded Grove
4 Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle
2 Celestial Colonnade
1 Halimar Depths
1 Murmuring Bosk
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統計一下數字，兩次 GP 八強一共有 5 副有使用preordain或者是ponder，數量比是 preordain : ponder = 18 : 4。而且所有放了ponder的玩家，都是preordain已經放到不能再放了(4張)，才欲求不滿的放了Ponder。
把Magic-League上面的大師賽算進去的話，比例會是22:7。
在pros的眼中，preordain會優先放，接下來才是ponder。
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以下摘自WoTC論壇，大概是我想表達的意思@@:
"That's a fair point. Ponder is still the best if you need an out immediately, but that's not usually the role of a Sorcery card filter/cantrip for  . If you aren't planning on shuffling later with a fetch land or something, I'd have to agree with you that Preordain is probably better for this role than Ponder. If you don't have a lot of Mystical Tutors, though, I'd say Ponder
Serum Visions, which seems to usually draw crap and let me visit two things I want."
"The ability to ship bad cards to the bottom of your deck while keeping the good ones is invaluable. With Ponder, it's all or nothing: You either get all of the top three cards, or none of them. In almost every situation, Preordain will serve you better. Extra dig doesn't much help if you still have to pick up the dirt later."
"lets put it this way, if standard had a mana base like legacy does, then ponder would probably be the right call, but as is, the ability to scry instead of just simply rearranging is really important. how many times have you wanted just one card off the ponder, but saw 2 cards you really didn't want to see? Ponder will be played more in formats where constant shuffles are the norm, but preordain is better when thats not the case."
"because when you get to dump cards to the bottom, you aren't left with crap should you want at least one of the cards. dumping 2 cards means you effectively shuffle like you do with ponder, but when it came to ponder, you were forced to keep cards on top that you didn't want if you really wanted one of the cards. preordain is filtering, whereas ponder was just rearranging cards on top like a sorcery speed brainstorm."
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